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Looking for help with an EMC problem?

The EMC page in the technical section of our website has a number of useful resources. You will find links to:
Download leaflets created by the RSGB’s EMC Committee (EMCC) to help members tackle interference problems.

Contact the EMC helpdesk for help with EMC issues: helpdesk.emc@rsgb.org.uk
Read guidance on a number of EMC issues
Our YouTube channel also has an ‘RFI Clinic’ lecture by John Rogers, M0JAV and David Lauder, G0SNO from the RSGB’s EMCC . Go to our channel and choose the RSGB’s 2019 Convention lectures playlist.

Finally, the EMCC’s page has links to reports and consultations if you want to find out more about the RSGB’s work in this area.
https://rsgb.org/main/technical/emc/

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I wouldn't bother with the RSGB they are a bunch of ignorant pigs when it comes to this issue.


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I wouldn't bother with the RSGB they are a bunch of ignorant pigs when it comes to this issue.


Go on, don't hold back, tell us what you really think! :D

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M0VMT wrote:
I wouldn't bother with the RSGB they are a bunch of ignorant pigs when it comes to this issue.


Go on, don't hold back, tell us what you really think! :D

Strange how different a reaction different people get.
It's quite a while since I bothered them about EMC, I've usually got to the bottom of it myself, but when I did the help was excellent.
One of the volunteers came to my QTH,to try and help sus out what the problem was.
He's no longer a volunteer, due to the way he was treated by some of those after help, but still a helpful, and knowledgeable, friend.

My latest issue originated from the offices of Global Radio.
I just found a way to contact their facilities manager and explained that a radio station preventing me from hearing things on my radio would make interesting press, and, probably be of interest to Ofcom.
Problem sorted, they had electricians in within a couple of weeks.

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GM0ONX wrote:
M0VMT wrote:
I wouldn't bother with the RSGB they are a bunch of ignorant pigs when it comes to this issue.


Go on, don't hold back, tell us what you really think! :D

Strange how different a reaction different people get.
It's quite a while since I bothered them about EMC, I've usually got to the bottom of it myself, but when I did the help was excellent.
One of the volunteers came to my QTH,to try and help sus out what the problem was.
He's no longer a volunteer, due to the way he was treated by some of those after help, but still a helpful, and knowledgeable, friend.

My latest issue originated from the offices of Global Radio.
I just found a way to contact their facilities manager and explained that a radio station preventing me from hearing things on my radio would make interesting press, and, probably be of interest to Ofcom.
Problem sorted, they had electricians in within a couple of weeks.

Cheers

Tony



The last EMC problem I had was with the atrium lighting of my local Tescos. They couldn’t have been more helpful. Their contractor asked if I could help pin out down and between us it was sorted in jig time.

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M0VMT wrote:
I wouldn't bother with the RSGB they are a bunch of ignorant pigs when it comes to this issue.


Go on, don't hold back, tell us what you really think! :D


Len you were more help than the lot posted above.
Your G3 I think it was Derbyshire Ken is it was about as much use a used condom and as for the others they ignore emails after you've had a few normal exchanges....nah your emc team are like snot on the end of the nose.


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M0VMT wrote:
I wouldn't bother with the RSGB they are a bunch of ignorant pigs when it comes to this issue.


Go on, don't hold back, tell us what you really think! :D


Len you were more help than the lot posted above.
Your G3 I think it was Derbyshire Ken is it was about as much use a used condom and as for the others they ignore emails after you've had a few normal exchanges....nah your emc team are like snot on the end of the nose.



Sorry you've had some local issues but RSGB volunteers are as mixed a bunch as radio amateurs as a whole. Most are a good bunch but a small number don't do the RSGB any favours that's for sure!

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GM0ONX wrote:
M0VMT wrote:
GM0ONX wrote:
M0VMT wrote:
I wouldn't bother with the RSGB they are a bunch of ignorant pigs when it comes to this issue.


Go on, don't hold back, tell us what you really think! :D


Len you were more help than the lot posted above.
Your G3 I think it was Derbyshire Ken is it was about as much use a used condom and as for the others they ignore emails after you've had a few normal exchanges....nah your emc team are like snot on the end of the nose.



Sorry you've had some local issues but RSGB volunteers are as mixed a bunch as radio amateurs as a whole. Most are a good bunch but a small number don't do the RSGB any favours that's for sure!


Totally agree Len, sad but I have to be honest my experience was not good and it really put me off in fact you were the only reason I lasted as long as I did.
Not a direct go at you Len so please don't take it personal as you wear the emblem on your shirt :D


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M0VMT wrote:
GM0ONX wrote:
M0VMT wrote:
GM0ONX wrote:
M0VMT wrote:
I wouldn't bother with the RSGB they are a bunch of ignorant pigs when it comes to this issue.


Go on, don't hold back, tell us what you really think! :D


Len you were more help than the lot posted above.
Your G3 I think it was Derbyshire Ken is it was about as much use a used condom and as for the others they ignore emails after you've had a few normal exchanges....nah your emc team are like snot on the end of the nose.



Sorry you've had some local issues but RSGB volunteers are as mixed a bunch as radio amateurs as a whole. Most are a good bunch but a small number don't do the RSGB any favours that's for sure!


Totally agree Len, sad but I have to be honest my experience was not good and it really put me off in fact you were the only reason I lasted as long as I did.
Not a direct go at you Len so please don't take it personally as you wear the emblem on your shirt :D

I am in the same boat a M0VMT, at first there was an interest when Ofcom came and gave me their report and subsequently I got ignored after numerous emails and at one point I was a member!


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I did the usual things to stop it within the shack when I got terriblr buzzing.

filled out the the then Ofcom online complanmenr form. the a couple of weeks later the engineer came tracked down to next cul de sac and it was a laptop charger. they pulled never been back since.


must admit no RSGB contact was made.

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It would be impossible to completely resolve all the emc I have to put up with here.
The more serious problems I encountered a few years back constrained me to call in ofcom
I found ways to limit it by reading books, online material and acting on what I learned , but also times of day and choice of operating frequency helps.
If I really need help we are lucky enough to have a guy in our local club who has a company that specialises in EMC issues .
Wherever possible I use the higher HF bands and the lower bands late at night or early morning .
Having a good relationship with neighbours will help in my view but an impossible task if you are surrounded by hundreds of apartments,
every time I see a new family moving in I cringe and wonder if yet another source of noise is going to be added to the list .

3 options
Put up with it and find ways to limit the problem .
Get advice ,RSGB,OFCOM,your local club members.
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About sums it up Adrian.
Or use VHF and up, they do tend to be hit a little less, having said that....I currently have a decent carrier with noise that falls smack on 144.300! :D
No idea where it is from, other than it is not a home goal, if I go 10 Kcs up or down, nothing, it is centered as near as damn it smack on 300! :)
Well it's actually centered on about 301 if you use the FM discriminator meter, but close enough as it is a fairy wide signal.
I had one a while ago on 70 cms, that fell on 433.200, which is a repeater output of course, the repeater itself (TF) is full scale here, so once open was well over it, but it meant the squelch was permanently open, unless I used CTCSS on RX at 103.5 Hz.
That has suddenly gone now, and the 144.300 one has recently "appeared", it's a constant battle this radio lark! :lol:

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Some are missing the point here in my case.

RSGB EMC team contacted = You may as well slit your wrist first it's less pain.

OFCON reported and before they came out I had the two noises found and exact times on off and mannerism of the said interference.
80 wiped out 40 no good at anytime of the day how do you work around that I'm all ears??
The noise was so bad at times 144mhz was wiped I could only use Fusion explain how you work around that again I'm all ears??
OFCON came around found the two houses knocked on one door that noise source gone which left me with HF stuffed, ofcon we shall sort it yeah 9 months of door knocking and letters from ofcom for the officials to determine it's not harmful.
9 months 4-5 visits to be told by the chap that came to my house that it is harmful but his ex copper boss who knows nothing about radio to make a decision it's not harmful.
The Telcoms officer said he was sorry(nice chap) it's above him now regards action and you could tell he was sorry infact I sent a blasting email to them it's on record that they are a waste of space in a nutshell and that they wasted their officers time and mine.
Since then I've tried receiving loop no good.....a Xphase some effect...built a mains filter no effect....changed antenna no effect.
The noise is PLT devices I will put a million pound on it and it's two walls away, the only saving grace is the woman isn't in much now and yes I did ask her but she's a ignorant bitch with 3 barking dogs divorced and the kids went with their dad which shows what a horrible woman and mother she is...mind you she used to hit the kids till they screamed and I once asked her do you have to beat the kids that hard and she hates men lol.
One day she will need my cooperation with something and I will just say do one :D
As for ofcom you may get lucky depending who deals with it I guess, 9+ of noise on multiple bands is not harmful remember that :rotfl:


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Some are missing the point here in my case.

RSGB EMC team contacted = You may as well slit your wrist first it's less pain.

OFCON reported and before they came out I had the two noises found and exact times on off and mannerism of the said interference.
80 wiped out 40 no good at anytime of the day how do you work around that I'm all ears??
The noise was so bad at times 144mhz was wiped I could only use Fusion explain how you work around that again I'm all ears??
OFCON came around found the two houses knocked on one door that noise source gone which left me with HF stuffed, ofcon we shall sort it yeah 9 months of door knocking and letters from ofcom for the officials to determine it's not harmful.
9 months 4-5 visits to be told by the chap that came to my house that it is harmful but his ex copper boss who knows nothing about radio to make a decision it's not harmful.
The Telcoms officer said he was sorry(nice chap) it's above him now regards action and you could tell he was sorry infact I sent a blasting email to them it's on record that they are a waste of space in a nutshell and that they wasted their officers time and mine.
Since then I've tried receiving loop no good.....a Xphase some effect...built a mains filter no effect....changed antenna no effect.
The noise is PLT devices I will put a million pound on it and it's two walls away, the only saving grace is the woman isn't in much now and yes I did ask her but she's a ignorant bitch with 3 barking dogs divorced and the kids went with their dad which shows what a horrible woman and mother she is...mind you she used to hit the kids till they screamed and I once asked her do you have to beat the kids that hard and she hates men lol.
One day she will need my cooperation with something and I will just say do one :D
As for ofcom you may get lucky depending who deals with it I guess, 9+ of noise on multiple bands is not harmful remember that :rotfl:

Well if you were an emergency service radio communication system, it would be deemed so in short order, if you are simply a radio "amateur", apparently not so! ;)
Also if your, or your neighbours local broadband is still working, not a priority either maybe?
We are not half as important as we once thought we were as a valued hobby, springs to mind.
Just a sign of the times.
I fully understand that in your personal case the RSGB response was somewhat wanting, but they could have turned out mob handed, a mini bus full of their volunteers with every piece of test gear known to man, diligently tracked down and sourced the interference, and then passed it on to Ofcom, (they have no powers to act personally), as Ofcom actually have the very teeth to deal with it, and they could have equally ended up giving you the same unsatisfactory result to put up with as you currently have.
Bottom line is it is resolved or not by Ofcom, not the RSGB.
I am no fan of the RSGB, but that is the bottom line.

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Some are missing the point here in my case.

RSGB EMC team contacted = You may as well slit your wrist first it's less pain.

OFCON reported and before they came out I had the two noises found and exact times on off and mannerism of the said interference.
80 wiped out 40 no good at anytime of the day how do you work around that I'm all ears??
The noise was so bad at times 144mhz was wiped I could only use Fusion explain how you work around that again I'm all ears??
OFCON came around found the two houses knocked on one door that noise source gone which left me with HF stuffed, ofcon we shall sort it yeah 9 months of door knocking and letters from ofcom for the officials to determine it's not harmful.
9 months 4-5 visits to be told by the chap that came to my house that it is harmful but his ex copper boss who knows nothing about radio to make a decision it's not harmful.
The Telcoms officer said he was sorry(nice chap) it's above him now regards action and you could tell he was sorry infact I sent a blasting email to them it's on record that they are a waste of space in a nutshell and that they wasted their officers time and mine.
Since then I've tried receiving loop no good.....a Xphase some effect...built a mains filter no effect....changed antenna no effect.
The noise is PLT devices I will put a million pound on it and it's two walls away, the only saving grace is the woman isn't in much now and yes I did ask her but she's a ignorant bitch with 3 barking dogs divorced and the kids went with their dad which shows what a horrible woman and mother she is...mind you she used to hit the kids till they screamed and I once asked her do you have to beat the kids that hard and she hates men lol.
One day she will need my cooperation with something and I will just say do one :D
As for ofcom you may get lucky depending who deals with it I guess, 9+ of noise on multiple bands is not harmful remember that :rotfl:

Well if you were an emergency service radio communication system, it would be deemed so in short order, if you are simply a radio "amateur", apparently not so! ;)
Also if your, or your neighbours local broadband is still working, not a priority either maybe?
We are not half as important as we once thought we were as a valued hobby, springs to mind.
Just a sign of the times.


Yes and when you pay into a society and make contact for advice and all they do is remind you how long they've been licensed and that if you don't get on with your neighbours you are stuffed etc what help is that why should we be in each other's pockets to have hope in getting EMC issues addressed.
If I was wiping the internet out I'm sure if be getting the knock.
Then Ofcom...it's tiring this Dave I can't be arsed with it mate :lol:
Now I'm past caring I can easily sell up if it gets bad and buy a gun or fishing rod not really concerned anymore we have no rights it's that simple, we were doomed when we stopped paying our license fee.
The rsgb are only interested in flooding more dim wits into the food chain than holding ofcom to account to protect our primary bands.
More foundation holders will do this hobby some good hey, acom linears on 19 muppet shadowed by a FL ticket what a piss take.


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