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At least, unlike some signals, it would appear this is a fault, rather than some attempt at "improving the audio", which is another local source of annoyance.

I've listened to some of those "improvements"! :lol:

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"Without these actions the committee has little evidence to act on"

So a clear as day VIDEO is no good then! :banghead:

It would seem that they simply dont want to be "mithered" by having to do anything about it from their response!
I agree with above, if a video showing a spectrum analysis of their terrible signal, accompanied by their own voice, giving their callsign, is'nt enough evidence, God only knows what constitutes a "cut and dry" case in their eyes! :rolleyes:


Well I had four or five emails back and forward between the contest committee and myself, I think the saying goes:

"pissing in the wind"

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Today's contest has passed.

I tackled GW8ZRE on air at about 09:00 UTC because their signal was poor 18khz up or down from centre with audio intermittently going muffled. When it became muffled on USB I could hear them clearly on AM. They were probably 80 miles from me. I was using an FT817nd and Maspro 10ele. The station immediately told me he'd look into it, but at the end of my QSO he called CQ.

Their signal stayed the same all day with only slight improvements before going 'bad' again.
About 3 hours later I decided to tackle them again. They could not hear our club call, so I called using my personal call. I received an instant strong signal report. I pointed out the problem again, reminded them of the earlier complaint. He thanked me and we went our separate ways.

There is something wrong with their system either deliberately or through defect but the result for the rest of us is the same. I have reported it on air twice, I will add it to the contest entry as required by the organisers .

As a final note another station was 2 miles from me and we happily coexisted 5khz away from each other so whilst my system is not a mega one it can cope with 3 watts from Across the sea.

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Today's contest has passed.

I tackled GW8ZRE on air at about 09:00 UTC because their signal was poor 18khz up or down from centre with audio intermittently going muffled. When it became muffled on USB I could hear them clearly on AM. They were probably 80 miles from me. I was using an FT817nd and Maspro 10ele. The station immediately told me he'd look into it, but at the end of my QSO he called CQ.

Their signal stayed the same all day with only slight improvements before going 'bad' again.
About 3 hours later I decided to tackle them again. They could not hear our club call, so I called using my personal call. I received an instant strong signal report. I pointed out the problem again, reminded them of the earlier complaint. He thanked me and we went our separate ways.

There is something wrong with their system either deliberately or through defect but the result for the rest of us is the same. I have reported it on air twice, I will add it to the contest entry as required by the organisers .

As a final note another station was 2 miles from me and we happily coexisted 5khz away from each other so whilst my system is not a mega one it can cope with 3 watts from Across the sea.



It must be a Welsh thing, the MW1 station in IO82NW was the same, sounded like a CB that had everything "tweaked" full up :)

Maybe it was the same station??

There were quite a few very over driven stations I heard today (not propagation effects), processors turned up so far the words were hard to read, and I don't know why, if I could hear many of them 9+, any one with a half decent antenna would have had no problem. As I said in another thread, I was amazed at some of the signals, conditions must have been excellent.

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Amazing how 3w can cause so much qrm!
Action this morning during the practical wireless 2m contest and almost 80khz wide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPfDRuFQ ... e=youtu.be

The QRM can clearly be seen and heard 35khz down from G0WRS/P who is the same signal strength but clean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL6n-R_S ... e=youtu.be


I get the message that 'This video is private' when following the above links.

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Today's contest has passed.

I tackled GW8ZRE on air at about 09:00 UTC because their signal was poor 18khz up or down from centre with audio intermittently going muffled. When it became muffled on USB I could hear them clearly on AM. They were probably 80 miles from me. I was using an FT817nd and Maspro 10ele. The station immediately told me he'd look into it, but at the end of my QSO he called CQ.

Their signal stayed the same all day with only slight improvements before going 'bad' again.
About 3 hours later I decided to tackle them again. They could not hear our club call, so I called using my personal call. I received an instant strong signal report. I pointed out the problem again, reminded them of the earlier complaint. He thanked me and we went our separate ways.

There is something wrong with their system either deliberately or through defect but the result for the rest of us is the same. I have reported it on air twice, I will add it to the contest entry as required by the organisers .

As a final note another station was 2 miles from me and we happily coexisted 5khz away from each other so whilst my system is not a mega one it can cope with 3 watts from Across the sea.


gw8zre/p sounded no different to other stations heard or worked but then I wouldn't see anything resembling the signal strength you experienced, their audio sounded fine when i heard them.
You wouldn't have been part of the gd0amd/p station by any chance?

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GD1MIP wrote:
Today's contest has passed.

I tackled GW8ZRE on air at about 09:00 UTC because their signal was poor 18khz up or down from centre with audio intermittently going muffled. When it became muffled on USB I could hear them clearly on AM. They were probably 80 miles from me. I was using an FT817nd and Maspro 10ele. The station immediately told me he'd look into it, but at the end of my QSO he called CQ.

Their signal stayed the same all day with only slight improvements before going 'bad' again.
About 3 hours later I decided to tackle them again. They could not hear our club call, so I called using my personal call. I received an instant strong signal report. I pointed out the problem again, reminded them of the earlier complaint. He thanked me and we went our separate ways.

There is something wrong with their system either deliberately or through defect but the result for the rest of us is the same. I have reported it on air twice, I will add it to the contest entry as required by the organisers .

As a final note another station was 2 miles from me and we happily coexisted 5khz away from each other so whilst my system is not a mega one it can cope with 3 watts from Across the sea.



It must be a Welsh thing, the MW1 station in IO82NW was the same, sounded like a CB that had everything "tweaked" full up :)

Maybe it was the same station??



Don't think so as zre/p was operating io83.....I think, as my logging for this is scribbled all other the place. :blush:

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Today's contest has passed.

I tackled GW8ZRE on air at about 09:00 UTC because their signal was poor 18khz up or down from centre with audio intermittently going muffled. When it became muffled on USB I could hear them clearly on AM. They were probably 80 miles from me. I was using an FT817nd and Maspro 10ele. The station immediately told me he'd look into it, but at the end of my QSO he called CQ.

Their signal stayed the same all day with only slight improvements before going 'bad' again.
About 3 hours later I decided to tackle them again. They could not hear our club call, so I called using my personal call. I received an instant strong signal report. I pointed out the problem again, reminded them of the earlier complaint. He thanked me and we went our separate ways.

There is something wrong with their system either deliberately or through defect but the result for the rest of us is the same. I have reported it on air twice, I will add it to the contest entry as required by the organisers .

As a final note another station was 2 miles from me and we happily coexisted 5khz away from each other so whilst my system is not a mega one it can cope with 3 watts from Across the sea.


So another year has pasted, nothing has changed, never learnt a dam thing from last year :banghead:

I suppose his VHF/RSGB/PW good buddies will be along to defend him yet again, utter rubbish. :rolleyes:

Its funny, (well not really, joke more like) I had a Skype message from a good friend of mine, who is into VHF in a big way before the contest started this morning, his message:

"John, I wonder if GW8ZRE will be as wide as a barn door this year, taking up the whole band again! Terry."

I said nothing in reply, giving the op the benefit of doubt.

What will the "Old Boys Club" do this time around? VHF contesting------>Joke.

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You wouldn't have been part of the gd0amd/p station by any chance?


No I was part of the IOMARS effort GT1IOM/p. GD0AMD/p were the ones close by our location.

We did OK, 69 (if I remember correctly) contacts the furthest being 512km. We gave up at 14:30 ish due to the fact all we could hear we had already worked.

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John the sad thing is your comments are mirrored by many other amateurs. Many people think this operators system is flawed.
There were three amateurs at our site each with licences older than 25 years with a good working knowledge of the band. All witnessed it and his reaction which on face value was to gratefully recieve the information but the continue operating.

As I said earlier
'There is something wrong with their system either deliberately or through defect but the result for the rest of us is the same. I have reported it on air twice, I will add it to the contest entry as required by the organisers' .

Last year I reported the station to the adjudicator for PW and RSGB, both said they could do nothing because a challenge was not made 'on air' well this year I did it twice. It will be interesting to see the reaction my report gets from the adjudicators.

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John the sad thing is your comments are mirrored by many other amateurs. Many people think this operators system is flawed.
There were three amateurs at our site each with licences older than 25 years with a good working knowledge of the band. All witnessed it and his reaction which on face value was to gratefully recieve the information but the continue operating.

As I said earlier
'There is something wrong with their system either deliberately or through defect but the result for the rest of us is the same. I have reported it on air twice, I will add it to the contest entry as required by the organisers' .

Last year I reported the station to the adjudicator for PW and RSGB, both said they could do nothing because a challenge was not made 'on air' well this year I did it twice. It will be interesting to see the reaction my report gets from the adjudicators.


Andy,

What do you have to do in this world!
I remember last year very well and the video evident, I even emailed the contest committee but had the same feeling when I email AROS with information and such like, the feeling is "pissing in the wind"

Even get the ops who openly defend him, saying he has sorted/looked at/fixed his station, putting his fingers up more like.
What with the RSGB & PW do, give him first prize no doubt!

I have not done the PW & RSGB contests for sometime now for these reasons, I will just come on and give away points to a few friends, that I know on the bands. Don't submit logs anymore.

Shame, enough is enough.

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ei9ju wrote:
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GD1MIP wrote:
Today's contest has passed.

I tackled GW8ZRE on air at about 09:00 UTC because their signal was poor 18khz up or down from centre with audio intermittently going muffled. When it became muffled on USB I could hear them clearly on AM. They were probably 80 miles from me. I was using an FT817nd and Maspro 10ele. The station immediately told me he'd look into it, but at the end of my QSO he called CQ.

Their signal stayed the same all day with only slight improvements before going 'bad' again.
About 3 hours later I decided to tackle them again. They could not hear our club call, so I called using my personal call. I received an instant strong signal report. I pointed out the problem again, reminded them of the earlier complaint. He thanked me and we went our separate ways.

There is something wrong with their system either deliberately or through defect but the result for the rest of us is the same. I have reported it on air twice, I will add it to the contest entry as required by the organisers .

As a final note another station was 2 miles from me and we happily coexisted 5khz away from each other so whilst my system is not a mega one it can cope with 3 watts from Across the sea.



It must be a Welsh thing, the MW1 station in IO82NW was the same, sounded like a CB that had everything "tweaked" full up :)

Maybe it was the same station??



Don't think so as zre/p was operating io83.....I think, as my logging for this is scribbled all other the place. :blush:


Rather like mine for the people I heard and not worked, it looks like the locator was KW not NW, I wrote NW first, then KW after a few more listens.

The stations I worked are scribbled down in columns though, and I can read them :)

Any way the person I heard was told of his problem, and carried on for a while, but I didn't hear him at all after a while, so either the fault was fatal, or he did the right thing if he couldn't correct it and went QRT.

I think the enthusiasm for the event overtakes sanity when it comes to levels and compression settings in many cases.
Natural I suppose to want to get the most out of a system, but pointless if people can't hear you clearly.

I decided i was only going to reply to clean clear signals that weren't over compressed and clipped, and that I could hear the call sign first time. That didn't mean only strong signals!

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Duplicate post, system told me another post had been made, I couldn't see it, but it was my own!
So I had made another post before posting, but it was the same one that hadn't yet been posted. Confused.

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ei9ju wrote:
G3EJS wrote:
GD1MIP wrote:
Today's contest has passed.

I tackled GW8ZRE on air at about 09:00 UTC because their signal was poor 18khz up or down from centre with audio intermittently going muffled. When it became muffled on USB I could hear them clearly on AM. They were probably 80 miles from me. I was using an FT817nd and Maspro 10ele. The station immediately told me he'd look into it, but at the end of my QSO he called CQ.

Their signal stayed the same all day with only slight improvements before going 'bad' again.
About 3 hours later I decided to tackle them again. They could not hear our club call, so I called using my personal call. I received an instant strong signal report. I pointed out the problem again, reminded them of the earlier complaint. He thanked me and we went our separate ways.

There is something wrong with their system either deliberately or through defect but the result for the rest of us is the same. I have reported it on air twice, I will add it to the contest entry as required by the organisers .

As a final note another station was 2 miles from me and we happily coexisted 5khz away from each other so whilst my system is not a mega one it can cope with 3 watts from Across the sea.



It must be a Welsh thing, the MW1 station in IO82NW was the same, sounded like a CB that had everything "tweaked" full up :)

Maybe it was the same station??



Don't think so as zre/p was operating io83.....I think, as my logging for this is scribbled all other the place. :blush:


Rather like mine for the people I heard and not worked, it looks like the locator was KW not NW, I wrote NW first, then KW after a few more listens.

The stations I worked are scribbled down in columns though, and I can read them :)

Any way the person I heard was told of his problem, and carried on for a while, but I didn't hear him at all after a while, so either the fault was fatal, or he did the right thing if he couldn't correct it and went QRT.

I think the enthusiasm for the event overtakes sanity when it comes to levels and compression settings in many cases.
Natural I suppose to want to get the most out of a system, but pointless if people can't hear you clearly.

I decided i was only going to reply to clean clear signals that weren't over compressed and clipped, and that I could hear the call sign first time. That didn't mean only strong signals!


That particular (IO82KW) station has a homebrew amplifier.
A mate who is active regularly on 2m called me last week and mentioned that he had a chat with him regarding the width of his signal- I can’t comment as I was not around.
Re ZRE, in the 16 years I have been active from this QTH he has always been wide and I mean always. I have listened many times (I stopped giving him points by about 2007) and nobody ever complains to him.

I assume they don’t want to upset his apple cart but to be frank it’s now beyond a joke. From this qth I could easily beam direct with qro and cut his qso rate massively with some good old fashioned front end overload but two wrongs don’t make a right and it’s not in the spirit of amateur radio.

These days I don’t even go on during contests due to signals like that. TR751E’s and FT817’s run on solar cells & batteries might be good for the environment but overdriven poorly adlusted and underpowered equipment is a recipe for trouble.

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Surely it would be better not to fill your logs with wide/bad signals, but pass them by and only work stations who are "clean".

This way if everyone followed suit an email to the "wide station" explaining why you didn't work him, received from several stations will prompt greater action to "get it fixed" than you all working him/them and complaining about it afterwards (either to the op or committee).

Surely you don't talk to a pirate then complain he's a pirate (either direct or elsewhere), so why not try this?

If a station consistently looses points or people refuse to work them this has a better affect?

John (HJO) - I am sorry you have had a bad experience but please don't rob us of losing the chance to work you down in 70 because only working a few friends and leaving doesn't solve the problem and doesn't help any of us.

The only way this would work is if every station was disciplined to avoiding "bad stations", not just trying to grab every point and locator for the sake of it.

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