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What about a pole bolted with brackets onto the garage with a cobwebb on top? only 8 foot square, looks like you got the room.


Had crossed my mind, but it would be an eyesore as on view to all round.

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Looking on google maps I see what you mean regards space John, you could use that pole you have up now and hang a inverted dipole with traps?
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I have been battling with this dilemma for several years so I will try to offer some help.
Based on my own experience and trial and error I can envisage several possibilities that might work .

That is one hell of a roof space even with the slate roof and I think you should get at least some modest performance from that area .Could you not try a few antennas up there? E.g fan dipole ,loop. dipole .

Also looking at your back yard I don't think you should give up on the idea of radials . If you have a concrete yard you could always slab over the top of it and lay radials or an earth mat underneath

My back yard is just 3.6 x 3.6 metres and slabbed but I cunningly laid counterpoises underneath a new patio. This is not as expensive as people imagine and can indeed improve the look of anyones back yard

You could use a mini beam bolted to the gable end of your house like I did myself or a cobweb as suggested by others .

:hello: I hope that might help in some way

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Thinking about it from the other angle; why are you so 'scared' of a visible antenna?

Zooming out; You live in a very urban area. Apart from passing motorists; the only people who would actually see any antenna are those living on the South side of Hughes Street, and they are not exactly looking at a Constable painting to start with.

Why should a 'proper' application for a nice neat Tennamast and minibeam fail?

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Thinking about it from the other angle; why are you so 'scared' of a visible antenna?

Zooming out; You live in a very urban area. Apart from passing motorists; the only people who would actually see any antenna are those living on the South side of Hughes Street, and they are not exactly looking at a Constable painting to start with.

Why should a 'proper' application for a nice neat Tennamast and minibeam fail?


To be honest I think too many antenna can be an eyesore. I have a dual band stick on a pole at roof height and that is enough.

I will go for something as invisible as I can.

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''To be honest I think too many antenna can be an eyesore''.

Blasphemy.

Say ten Hail Marys and copy out the first ten pages of 'The Ongoing M3/M6 Thread' longhand.

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How about a SCAM?

You could have the compressor in the garage next to you, and the antenna would hide itself on the garage roof when you're not actually using it ...

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I think we have covered every option available the next step is to get Nasa control to comment :D

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I thought it had been enchsrined in law that every home could fly a flag up a flag pole? There's your answer
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I thought it had been enchsrined in law that every home could fly a flag up a flag pole? There's your answer
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God forbid if you fly the St George's then you will be dammed :lol:

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What about a pole bolted with brackets onto the garage with a cobwebb on top? only 8 foot square, looks like you got the room.


Had crossed my mind, but it would be an eyesore as on view to all round.


Unfortunately most antennas are an eye sore to most people unless you can hide some wire along your gutter line to make a dipole/doublet with twin feeder running down to a balun then coax to your garage. At least that won't be to visible.


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What about a pole bolted with brackets onto the garage with a cobwebb on top? only 8 foot square, looks like you got the room.


Had crossed my mind, but it would be an eyesore as on view to all round.


Unfortunately most antennas are an eye sore to most people unless you can hide some wire along your gutter line to make a dipole/doublet with twin feeder running down to a balun then coax to your garage. At least that won't be to visible.


Yes, but that will be ''too much noise from the house''. :)

I don't think we are going to win this one ....

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You might be right but like most things in Amateur radio, you'll never really find the answer unless you stick it up and try for yourself. All part of the learning curve as they say. Personally I'd just stick a cobwebb up off the garage maybe something you can raise up when needed and lower back down to the roof when not. Stuff the eyesore bit as long as it looks good to me lol


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Indeed, or a 40m-10m rotary dipole on a SCAM, and park the dipole parallel to the garage when it's not in use. Invisible :)

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