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 Help..pl259 to RG213 ? 
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GW7UNV wrote:
G0BHD wrote:
I assume nobody fits PL259's like they used to many years ago?
The jacket screwed into the the thread, just for support, an internal shortened screen braid was then spot soldered through the "holes" in the main body, with care and a good iron of course! :D
If you go back long enough some didn't even have a thread, they had smooth entry bore, and relied entirely on the through hole solder spots.
These days, probably best stick to compression for quick fits.



My thoughts were..
N-Type are a compression fitting that has a damp proofing element, helping to protect the coax..
I'm disappointed with the damp proofing with the 259's... If I want quick I use a crimp on plug, no soldering at all..

Evan

I always use N types.
Far better in so many ways.
If the equipment has SO239 I either change it or, if I don't want to mess with it, use a good quality adaptor.

In answer to the other question, I always use the correct tool on crimp fittings.
The centre pin is usually a crimp as well.
Trying that with pliers is a mistake!

Also, there are different crimp tools for 75ohm and 50 ohm so take care.

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gm1zvj wrote:
GW7UNV wrote:
G0BHD wrote:
I assume nobody fits PL259's like they used to many years ago?
The jacket screwed into the the thread, just for support, an internal shortened screen braid was then spot soldered through the "holes" in the main body, with care and a good iron of course! :D
If you go back long enough some didn't even have a thread, they had smooth entry bore, and relied entirely on the through hole solder spots.
These days, probably best stick to compression for quick fits.



My thoughts were..
N-Type are a compression fitting that has a damp proofing element, helping to protect the coax..
I'm disappointed with the damp proofing with the 259's... If I want quick I use a crimp on plug, no soldering at all..

Evan


Thought crimp type still required soldering at the tip ? Can you use plyers to crimp?


John...

You need the correct crimp pliers for the job... some you have to solder, some you don't..
The pliers I use for RG58 is http://www.pressmaster.se/product/dcc_1113 seems to work well.
These are the plugs I use on RG58... https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/coaxial- ... s/5462605/

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A thanks Evan wasn’t sure as looked up the guide on fitting crimp on plugs and on that particular version the chap soldered the end tip. So interestingly to hear there are versions that you don’t have to solder . As I say will see how I get on with the compression type on this occasion and may try crimp on style for future. Appreciate the links mate.
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Tell you what at the risk of appearing a right numptie I must admitt I also struggled with cutting of the white plastic that the braid sits on, the coax I am using is RG213 military spec and as mentioned earlier the coax run has been outside for a few years so guessing the sun etc has hardest up the white plastic beneath the outer rubber of the cable !

Watched one video of one old chap fitting his pl259 who also struggled with removing the white plastic on the coax and he recommended squeezing the plastic with plyers all the way around after cutting as this makes it easier to pull of once cut. Spoiled a few assemblies by cutting the plastic and trying to just pull of the centre core which in turn just damaged the core it as the plastic held it so tight.

Will try the plyers idea !

Anyone experienced similiar ?

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Comparison time....

The M0MAT connector, has a slightly longer nut part to connect onto a SO239 barrel.
The inner washer rubber/silicone is a better looking material, the inner washer looks to be
brass nickel plated. and the inner tophat that keeps the braid away from the centre pin is
a proper tophat shape.

The Moonraker one appears to be a cheaper version, the nut section for connecting onto a
SO239 is shorter. The inner washers and the rubber/silicone parts all look cheaper. No tophat
section to keep any stray strands away from the center pin. Just a dished washer.

Conclusion, you pays your money and makes your choice.

My choice.... M0MAT.
I will not be using the moonraker ones where they could cause me issues.

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Thanks Phil appreciate the update. Just waiting on my own compression type pl259 plug arriving and will see how I get on.
This is the one I ordered . Have seen others with a couple of washers supplied, two of different size.


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313079855341

Have managed to prepare my coax in readiness of the plug arriving, found a particular sharp knife which cut thru the tough white plastic around the centre core much better than the last attempt so all set to go !

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I think they all vary to some degree. I always do a test inner to outer, then end to end just to make sure.
I do have crimps, but as I had one fail. I tend not to use them.

I am slowly going through my plugs and sockets and changing over to N types, much prefer
them, and theres little difference between fitting an N type and a compression type PL259.

We all have our preferences. At least we have moved on from Belling Lee connectors. Although it
has to be said, the right connector in the right place is ok.

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Just as a forewarning one could easily get the impression no soldering is needed using a compression fitting, that's not the case.

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Exactly, the inner pin need soldering, and then cleaning up.

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gm1zvj wrote:
Thanks Phil appreciate the update. Just waiting on my own compression type pl259 plug arriving and will see how I get on.
This is the one I ordered . Have seen others with a couple of washers supplied, two of different size.


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313079855341

Have managed to prepare my coax in readiness of the plug arriving, found a particular sharp knife which cut thru the tough white plastic around the centre core much better than the last attempt so all set to go !



I've just fitted two of those to the H100 on my 2/70 white stick.

they'll be getting changed to some M0MAT plugs soon.

the dished washer at the business end is a nightmare compared to the 'top-hat' version.
and they pretty much rely on the soldered center pin for mechanical strength.

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Okay thanks mate appreciate the info. Might just buy one of the other versions and be done with it.

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