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Ha ha Colin the head.....

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Ha ha Colin the head.....

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Steady on Rob we don't want the CB lovers getting shirty old boy :lol:

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Steady on Rob we don't want the CB lovers getting shirty old boy :lol:

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It's ironic.

Lots of people said that CW would die out if they scrapped the test.

Now I feel that - one day - the last ever amateur radio QSO will be conducted in morse code.


You could well be right G6CSL (sorry, don't know your name).

As for 'bitching', no just a statement of undeniable fact, that any genuine radio amateur would agree with.

I now beginning to think that perhaps I was mistaken in thinking that this was a dedicated amateur radio forum, and not a 'mix & match' hybrid.

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It's ironic.

Lots of people said that CW would die out if they scrapped the test.

Now I feel that - one day - the last ever amateur radio QSO will be conducted in morse code.


You could well be right G6CSL (sorry, don't know your name).

As for 'bitching', no just a statement of undeniable fact, that any genuine radio amateur would agree with.

I now beginning to think that perhaps I was mistaken in thinking that this was a dedicated amateur radio forum, and not a 'mix & match' hybrid.


The personal here would be Chris. Pleased to meet you. :)

There's a lot of old ex-breakers on here, including me. But most of us were the type of CBer that used 'Q' codes and said '73' anyway.

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Hi Chris, pleased to meet you too.

I've absolutely no problem with people that use, or used CB, providing they keep the culture on 27MHz, and don't bring it onto the amateur bands. A case of "when in Rome".

As I said, my kids had a CB radio (legal), but as they matured, they grew out of it.

Quite a few of the Foundation/Novice licence holders that I knew in my local area, before I gave up and sold all my gear, had also matured, and grown out of CB.

The shop in my area that was once stocked with CB equipment, now has none, and just sells components, alarm systems and security cameras.

Believing it was still a CB shop, I phoned them to ask if they had an 18ft Silver Rod antenna, as I wanted to modify it for amateur band use.

The guy said "CB?, that 'bubble' has long since burst', and we stopped selling the gear several years ago".

So if you are one of the diminished group that still use legal CB, and enjoy it, then fine, but please don't bring the operating "protocol" onto the amateur bands, and you will be welcomed by all genuine radio amateurs.

If you are into illegal CB, as some on here have made it clear that they are, then as long as you stay out of the CW end of the 10m band, you are not a problem to radio amateurs.

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Things have changed a lot while you have been away.

'CB' as we knew it back then is long dead, and it's just not a thing that hams worry about any more. We have other fish to fry with PLT, plasma TVs etc.

Have a listen around 27.555 (USB) and you will hear what I mean. Most of them don't even call themselves CBers any more.

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So the guy in the shop was right then Chris, and CB did die some years ago.

I wouldn't have a problem if CB was still 'alive and kicking', as legal FM CB was never a problem to the radio amateur.

I fully understand the EMC issues created by PLT, as in a former life I was a Consultant EMC Engineer, and sat on a working group with the BBC, DTI, MoD, CAA, and the RSGB to fight against it.

Here's a thought for the many new, and novice licence holders on here, that might wonder why 'Old Farts' like me are so protective of the protocol and operating standards on the amateur bands. It because it was a prestige hobby, handed down to us by the true radio amateurs of old, and it saddens people me to see its image being tarnished.

Who are the people giving up their time to run the foundation , and intermediate radio classes that got you your licence?. Almost certainly an established (RAE passed) radio amateur.

In my local area, it's a G3Y.., and he has been doing so for some years.

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I just dont let things like that wind me up in the first place.

If somebody calls me 'good buddy' or whatever, that's OK. I just go back in plain english. I think that ''my QTH is'' etc is equally ridiculous. I've seen hams sat talking face-to-face in the bar using 'Q' codes :)

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I think that ''my QTH is'' etc is equally ridiculous. I've seen hams sat talking face-to-face in the bar using 'Q' codes :)


Yep, a step too far I think (lol).

The international Q code was created for CW usage, although it can be long winded to say when on Phone, "I'm suffering from Radio Interference", or "I'm suffering from Atmospheric Interference", when QRM and QRN is quick and easy to say, and understood in whatever language.

We are very fortunate that international amateur communication takes place in English, whereas those whose native tongue isn't English, have to translate, and if their command of the English language isn't good, then using Q code abbreviations is provably helpful to them, even if they are limited to 'Rubber Stamp' conversations.

As for 'my QTH is' on 'Phone', when talking to a fluent English speaking amateur, it is a bit silly. Why not say 'my location is'

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Or even ''HI HI'' on phone .......Grrr.

That's one reason I like morse. Nobody else in the house is going to overhear that rubbish. It's embarrassing.

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Or even ''HI HI'' on phone ......Grr


Even worse Chris :scratch:

Probably 'would be' CW operators :D

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Here's a thought for the many new, and novice licence holders on here, that might wonder why 'Old Farts' like me are so protective of the protocol and operating standards on the amateur bands. It because it was a prestige hobby, handed down to us by the true radio amateurs of old, and it saddens people me to see its image being tarnished.

Who are the people giving up their time to run the foundation , and intermediate radio classes that got you your licence?. Almost certainly an established (RAE passed) radio amateur.

In my local area, it's a G3Y.., and he has been doing so for some years.



The Tarnishing started when the powers that be allowed that much spectrum allocation to a foundation licence it was open day, to many a green light do do nothing else...... I may as well just sit on it forever in a day why bother progressing...... Also their was more tarnishing when clubs pushed through people with one simple on the air contact and no real one on one making sure candidates could feel relaxed and knew what the hell they were doing.
Go read the excuses as why many can not be arsed to spend a little time progressing theirs loads on here that range from, I have to catch a bus, I can not leave the budgie alone, my cat needs company, my attention span is only 1 min, I only need 10 watts, the foundation is about my limit.
People are not to blame for the poor state of our hobby but the system and it's regulators, their are many ex cb types like myself who have progressed, the system has way way too many faults right now and someone at the top needs to redress to whole system.
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Another good reason for loving morse. You can turn your back on most of the evils of ham radio.

Apart from one, and that's what 30m and the other WARC bands are for :)

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